Bigfoot Evidence And Doubt

Studio Setup And Drink Check

Intro 0:00

This is the Almost Famous Radio Podcast.....Lets go!

Jeffy McJefferson 0:25

And welcome to the almost famous radio podcast. Here we go again. I had to fix the mics because I fucked it up as usual. I tinker around and then you you do tinkering, Mike. We tinker around, we play, we fix it, and then we fix it, we fix it again, and then we go.

Rayette 0:42

We do it right the first time.

Jeffy McJefferson 0:44

We got Rayette, and obviously we got Mike. Hey, hey! Paranormal investigator. Not today.

Mike 0:50

Today's something there.

Jeffy McJefferson 0:51

Let's go around the room. Rayette, what are you drinking?

Rayette 0:54

Usual Dutch bros

unknown 0:56

Boy.

Mike 0:57

Mike? I've got a Liquid Death Sweet Reaper.

Jeffy McJefferson 1:00

Is that what you had last time?

Mike 1:01

I had Liquid Death uh Killer Cola last time. Oh, okay. They make a lot of different flavors. And I have is it energy drink? Nope. It's just a this is just a sweet tea. It's got a little bit of caffeine. Oh, okay. 30, 30 calories, six, six grams of caffeine, I think.

Rayette 1:16

Oh, okay. I was wondering what those were. Yeah.

Jeffy McJefferson 1:19

Senior Nevada Springfest for me.

Rayette 1:21

Cool.

Jeffy McJefferson 1:22

Damn right. It's a cool. Nice yellow can. It's a good yellow can. Springy. Pretty springy.

Mike 1:28

Eastery look.

Jeffy McJefferson 1:31

Eastery. So anyway.

Why Bigfoot Gets Another Look

Jeffy McJefferson 1:35

Today you know, we like I said before, we did a tongue-in-cheek episode about Bigfoot like two years ago with me and Red Carolyn and Jody. So we wanted to bring somebody in here who's more of a Bigfoot believer.

unknown 1:50

A believer, yeah.

Jeffy McJefferson 1:51

And not a just a believer. Probably has some evidence.

Mike 1:57

Stuff I've written, written, uh read, excuse me, not written anything, but I've had a I've had some experience. Little little tiny bit. A little tiny bit.

Jeffy McJefferson 2:03

Okay. Because I know Jody says that she what what she said she wants wants Bigfoot to she just wants to cuddle with him.

Mike 2:10

Yeah.

Jeffy McJefferson 2:11

That's what she said. She wants Bigfoot to cuddle.

Mike 2:13

She wants Harry and the Henderson's. I guess.

Rayette 2:17

There you go.

Jeffy McJefferson 2:20

Yeah, that is good, Harry and the Henderson's, right?

Rayette 2:22

Yeah.

Jeffy McJefferson 2:23

Okay, so Mike, I'm just gonna let you go. What you

The Patterson-Gimlin Film Holds Up

Jeffy McJefferson 2:27

got?

Mike 2:27

I I like you said I'm a I'm a believer in Bigfoot, believer in Sasquatch. I I read everything I can on on the thing, and and from believers to non-believers. Since I was a kid growing up, I I'm I'm I was born a few years after the uh the original Bigfoot footage, the the Patterson Gimlin video from 1967. I was born a few years after that, but I remember seeing that on TV when I was a little kid and I was just just amazed by it. I don't think I've seen that footage. It's it's it's been you've probably seen it. It's been around. The black female Bigfoot. It's literally in the Siskiyou's or uh Northern California. It was Northern California somewhere.

Jeffy McJefferson 3:04

No, the only thing I seen was that big, that fuzzy picture of Bigfoot that's walking and from like I guess the 70s, and that's what they use for all the stickers and shit.

Mike 3:14

Yeah, where she's like kind of looking back at you. Yeah. I've I've watched breakdowns of the video and people trying to discredit it. And I think it's it's real. I think it's real.

Jeffy McJefferson 3:23

Really?

Mike 3:24

Right now they're they're one of their sons, they're they're both passed away. Patterson and Gimlin are both gone now, I believe. One of their sons is trying to bankroll his own retirement or something, is what people are saying, by discrediting it, saying, Oh, my father told me it was all fake, they made it up. But I've watched videos where scientists are literally watching this and and looking at the muscle structure and the way that that female, you can tell it's a female by the breasts on it, and it literally will turn its whole torso to look about it back at him, as as if its neck is real thick and and stiff. And you you think about the costuming. If it was a costume, if it was their buddy out there running around, they didn't have that kind of technology to make costume look as formidable as that. You can see muscle movement.

Rayette 4:08

Well, that's what I was thinking with like the video, also. Like back then there wasn't technology that there is today that they could AI that or they could, you know.

Mike 4:20

Yeah. I mean, uh I was thinking about this the other day when I was thinking about coming on. Think about Star Trek. The original series Star Trek was was big around the time of this video. Okay. Look at the critters they had in Star Trek. They don't look like real, I mean, they're they're plasticky looking aliens. They're great for the time and they're they're still holding up today, but it wasn't anything like what we have today in Star Trek.

Jeffy McJefferson 4:43

Kirk fucks green chicks.

Mike 4:44

Oh, he he he's big on even the newer ones. He's got that redheaded green chick. I can't, you know. I like redheads. My wife's redhead.

Rayette 4:52

We can all be a redhead. Now here you go. Okay.

Jeffy McJefferson 4:55

Did you ever tell Emers about that video?

Mike 4:59

Oh, yeah, she's seen it.

Jeffy McJefferson 5:00

Okay. Now I sat down and watched it. Now I have a problem with her. Because I texted her last night because I was like trying to get some inside info real quick. And she never told me about this video. So, oh, Emmers, expect another text after you hear this.

Mike 5:12

You're catching no kidding.

Jeffy McJefferson 5:13

Yeah, because damn you.

Rayette 5:16

We could have watched it last night.

Jeffy McJefferson 5:18

Could have watched it. Doggone it.

Rayette 5:20

We'll watch it.

Jeffy McJefferson 5:20

Yeah.

Mike 5:21

It's it's pretty cool. It's only about a minute or so long. They they literally, I I, from my understanding, from what I believe, they were out there hunting, hunting in the area, doing something, but they had their camera with them. They had seen footprints before, these two guys, these two buddies. And so they were out there looking, literally looking for a Bigfoot, waiting for this encounter when she just popped up out of the, out of the the downed wood. She was sitting there watching them. And once she realized, from the way it looks, once she realized she was spotted, she just got up and walked off, looked over at to make sure you're not following me, and just kept walking it. And they they're sitting there with an eight millimeter camera just following her. And for the time, it was the best footage around.

Jeffy McJefferson 5:58

Kind of like the Zapruder film or the on on Kennedy's assassination, that kind of camera.

Mike 6:03

Exactly, exactly. Same kind of thing where it's that real broken up kind of footage, a little eight mil eight millimeter hand crank camera.

Jeffy McJefferson 6:09

Wow. Yeah.

unknown 6:10

Interesting.

The Applegate Bigfoot Trap

Jeffy McJefferson 6:11

Okay. Well, you know, when we were on last, Jason was kind of sitting in, but he didn't he didn't he wasn't a part of the show, but he was talking about there's a Bigfoot trap here.

Mike 6:22

Oh yeah, oh yeah. It's up in the Applegate. Yeah. It's up above Applegate Lake. I believe if you go, there's a campground that you get you right before you get to Oh, there's a creek at the very east side of the lake. But there's a campground there, but you park somewhere near there, you can walk. It's over across the road. And you go up in the hill about a three-quarters to a to a mile, it's up in a little ways. I come to think of it. We we went walking up there, my family and I a bunch of years ago, went and took one of our dogs with us. And as we got to a fork in the trail, we didn't really know where to go. I knew where the trail was, found the trail. It's the Collins, Collins trailhead, I think is what it's called. It's marked on the side of the road. But we there's a group coming down, like a church group, I believe it was, a bunch of younger kids coming towards us. Well, they were coming down the forks. We just stopped to let them past us, and then we kept going the direction we were headed. They were coming back from the trap. I had no idea the trap was up there. So I've I've I I know where it's at, never quite been to it. But yeah, we went the other direction and walked for about three miles. We got a nice, beautiful view of the valley. It was great.

Rayette 7:24

Did you know the trap was up there? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Mike 7:26

It was put up there in the early 70s.

Rayette 7:28

When you went up there to the fork, though, you knew it was there.

Mike 7:32

I just didn't realize that was the way to it. And these guys were they were look they were locked on to my dog and my pistol on my hip, and they weren't really talking to us. I'm like, hey, how's it going? Yeah, okay. And they just ran by us.

unknown 7:40

Yeah.

Mike 7:41

They weren't saying anything about, hey, it was a cool trap. Hey, look at the Bigfoot. They didn't say nothing, so we didn't get the hint that, hey, we should probably take a left here. Okay. We just went straight and went way too far.

Jeffy McJefferson 7:50

What's the Bigfoot trap made of?

Mike 7:52

It's uh from my from the look of it. Chicken wire? No, no, no. It's it's solid. It's a big box. He it's made of like railroad ties with metal, metal framework around it, and then a metal door that would, in the in the day, it's pinned pinned up now. The Forest Service, they haven't taken it out. They've left it there over these years, but that the door doesn't slide anymore. It's it's welded open. But it's got like this big expanded steel grate door that would have slid down. And and in from what I understand, the guy that built it, this the scientist in the early 70s, he would take a deer, part of a deer, hang it up, or some kind of wood or uh meat, hang it up from the ceiling of this, in the idea that a Bigfoot's gonna come in and and walk in there, pull down, exactly that's it, pull down on this rope, which would release the door and trap him. Well, the only thing he ever caught were multiple raccoons and cougars, a bear, I think at one point, something like that. But Bigfoot was a little smarter. Right. Never made his way into there.

Jeffy McJefferson 8:50

That's what I was gonna ask, too, and you already took my question because I was like, what the hell do you bait it with? And so, yeah.

Mike 8:57

So he figured it was stuff that the Bigfoot was eating, and nobody really knows. I mean, Bigfoot probably eats, you know, whatever he can get. Obviously.

Jeffy McJefferson 9:07

Obviously, beef jerky. That's the only thing that's the only thing I see is like messing with sash watching.

Mike 9:11

Uh what's it, Tim's Tim's Cascade Crunch Chips, you know? Remember those commercials? Oh, Cascade Crench your kneecaps.

Jeffy McJefferson 9:18

Yeah. Yeah, because I mean, there's been like I I I'm from Oklahoma. And people said, oh, there's been Bigfoot sightings in Oklahoma. I'm like, why and how? There's nothing in Oklahoma. I mean, and it seems like he's a mountain guy.

Mike 9:36

Arkansas. Or Chick. Arkansas the just outside Arkansas's got a lot of stuff. They call him the the wild man, I think is what they call that in the in the south.

Jeffy McJefferson 9:45

It's like a, you know, like Arkansas, like in the Ozarks or whatever. Yes, up in the hills. Yeah.

Mike 9:50

But it's supposed to be like the same type of thing. Yeah. Same same description. Reddish, brownish hair, real musty, n skunk-like smell.

Rayette 9:59

Okay, so here's what I like. I guess I'm one of those people that wants to believe.

unknown 10:06

Yeah, yeah.

Rayette 10:07

But has a really hard time because with all the technology that's today, why isn't there any clear pictures?

Mike 10:15

There there are. If you look, there's videos and clear picture, but the internet, having the internet today, it's not like reading a book. Everybody has their opinion and is able to throw their opinion out there. A lot of this stuff that I've seen, I mean, I I believe it or don't believe it. Some of it's kind of like, all right, it looks like some dude with black makeup on on his face, look like a gorilla. But it gets discounted. And then everything you know, everyone's talking about this video is a hoax and this picture's a hoax, but they're they're out there. There's there's there's several people. There's a guy in Canada that I've watched a lot of stuff on YouTube that literally communicates. People say they communicate with Bigfoot. I don't get into that stuff. I I never I communicated in a in a way, I think, at some point with one.

Jeffy McJefferson 10:58

But did you do the Bud Light or the Bud Local Bud? Well, that's Bigfoot.

Mike 11:03

We were since we were good, we're there, I was again in the Applegate.

What The Trap Was Meant To Catch

Mike 11:07

There's there's an old Chinese mining mining area up in the big, up in the Applegate, up towards uh just before the lake. It's called the Jin Lin Trail. Jin Lin was the guy. He was another history thing, but he had a he was the mine boss for a big mine that's up above, up in the hills. And you can walk up in there and walk around. There's just little sites that you stop at and read a little pamphlet that you that you take with you. And off to the side of the mine, we took another little trail and we're goofing around. And we had one of our dogs with us, a young, young Labrador. And by the time we hit this other trail, she was acting different. She wasn't as excited as she was earlier on the trail. She was now, she's really cautious. She's walking in front of me, but she's watching everything. And you can see her ears are perked up. She just was acting, her body language was different. I'm just goofing around. I pick up a stick and it's it's forested. So I pick up a big stick and I'm smacking a tree. From across up and over the hill from the other side of the hill, something's doing the same thing right back at me. If I hit the tree three times, I had three echoes come right back at me. If I hit it twice and then a third time within a couple seconds, I get the same response coming back at me. Bigfoot's known to do this. That's called tree knocking. Bigfoot will do that. I all but yelled out at it, but at this point, I've got my two very young daughters, my wife, my wife's getting a little upset with me. What are you doing? Why are you messing around? Maybe that's just some crazy mountain man over there. Maybe it is Bigfoot. I don't know. But whatever it was was responding right back to me the same exact way. It was like the knock and the knock on the wall, trying to get the ghost to knock back at you. I was having that happen with a tree knocking.

Jeffy McJefferson 12:38

Now bear wouldn't do that.

Mike 12:39

Bear wouldn't do that. Bear doesn't have thumbs. I mean, I was gripping a think about it. A bear's not going to grip a piece of wood and smack a tree. You know, and and I've seen walking

Tree Knocking On The Jin Lin Trail

Mike 12:50

around hunting and different stuff. I've seen Bigfoot are known to take tree, a tall tree. And I mean, he may be eight, 10, 12 foot tall, right? He's going to take the top of a tree and literally bend it over in an arc. I've seen lots of that kind of stuff. I haven't I've seen a little bit of that stuff myself, but seen lots of pictures and videos of people coming across these things. It's just, it's not natural to have one big, thick tree bent in an arc coming across, or seeing a tree. I've never seen this myself, but I've seen pictures that they'll take a dead tree, literally rip it out of the ground, turn it upside down, and stick it back in the ground. Here's a thousand foot, thousand-pound chunk of wood that's now the roots are sticking out of the ground like it's a uh a stick figure with hair, right? That's it's said that Bigfoot does that kind of stuff to mark his territory.

Jeffy McJefferson 13:37

Well that brings me back again what we were talking about in the first one with Jason said. He's like there's like trees that have been like altered high higher up. And like I don't know, I don't know how to do it.

Rayette 13:55

It was like they went down a road and it was like on both sides. It was like all at the same height.

Mike 14:00

Yeah. Like something was walking along, bending them over. Something, yeah. You see you see when you see tree bark ripped off a tree ten feet in the air, you're like, that wasn't a bear. Not around here. I mean grizzly bears get pretty big and Kodiak bears get pretty big. We don't have those around here. We got little, little four hundred, five hundred pound black bears that don't reach twelve feet, you know, and to rip bark off a tree twelve feet high.

Jeffy McJefferson 14:24

They're big enough for me.

Mike 14:25

Big enough, big enough, believe me. I've almost run into one a while back in the applegate again. Where the applegates are are, if you're not from the area, applegates are forested area nearby. We're uh we're covered in forest, but applegate's a a nearby area that we like my family likes to go to.

Rayette 14:38

I had a bear chase my Jeep one time. We were coming back from rafting, going through like after Butte Falls and stuff. Yeah.

Mike 14:46

He was up there. He's high probably up in Butte Falls.

unknown 14:48

Yeah.

Rayette 14:51

He was like running after my Jeep. My girls were scared because the top was off and everything.

Mike 14:56

We we were we went running up. I think Emma was with us. I don't believe both daughters. I know Emma was with us that night. It was later at night, and I I'd gotten a new little skull, a little blue skull that lights up that sits in your in your cigarette lighter. Well, it's like 10:30 at night. Hey, let's go for a drive. So I put that skull and it lights up the whole truck below the inside of my truck. It was kind of fun. We're just goofing off. And we decided to go up to the Apple Gate, took a shortcut to get a little closer, a little quicker. It's about a half hour, 20 minutes to this little ghost town that's up there in the woods. And we we made our spot, jumped out, did our thing up there, went back home, but we went the long way back home. So we we cruised back through over to a highway. And maybe a mile and a half from the ghost town, here comes this little, it wasn't a really big bear, it was a smaller, younger one, but he just came barreling down the hillside right in front of us. And it was dark. It was by now it's 11, 11:30. I'm not driving real fast. Fortunately, I wasn't doing my usual foot down on the floor, going, going, going through it. It's dark. I thought there's a lot of deer out here, and I don't trust little wind whistles on my truck to get the deer away. But this thing just came barreling down the hill right dead in front of us. I mean, he he was within 10 feet, and I was like, that was pretty cool. And you ask Emma, it was, you know, 500 or 5,000 pound bear, but it was probably 200-pound baby, is what it was, but he was hauling. It was so cool to watch that bear. The way the bears run are just great.

Twisted Trees As Territory Signs

unknown 16:18

Yeah.

Mike 16:18

I think Bigfoot probably scared him and was like, hey, get out of my way. You know, kicked him out with a kicked him down in front of us, but Bigfoot didn't show himself.

Rayette 16:25

Okay, so I'm gonna fix it. Back to the like the Bigfoot and the evidence. Have they found bones?

Jeffy McJefferson 16:35

Well, that was gonna be one of my questions.

Mike 16:38

That's a good question.

Jeffy McJefferson 16:38

Good job, Riot.

Mike 16:39

You know, I can't say the people have found bones. There has been over the years, there's been people that have said they've killed one. There was a guy a while back that had there's video of a of an adolescent of a small, a small bigfoot that looks like it very well could be. It's like a smaller primate that's standing on two feet and and looking at this guy through the woods. There's an there's a guy that I don't know if it's the same guy, I can't remember, but there were two dudes that were that showed this video. I think it was the same guys. They'd shown the video, and then within a couple weeks, they shot adolescent Bigfoot. And there's pictures of it online. Initially, it was like, wow, look at this. Well, immediately it got discounted as this is just fake, it's just nothing to worry about it. And nothing ever really was shown about it again. Whether someone took it down and had it examined or what, and you know, it just got blown out. Science likes to do that with things, they don't change the way things are, is with the way I look at it. It was never heard from again. These guys were just discounted and you know, kick kicked to the side. There's a guy, I believe, up in the Minnesota area, somewhere up there. I saw a video of this guy. His dad, years before, had, I believe he killed, shot, and killed a Bigfoot. I think was the story. But he's got in a freezer, and I saw the video of this thing, and it looked real enough to me, but he's got the head literally wrapped in quilts in a deep freeze. And he he pulled it out for this video and was showing a news crew or somebody, and of course, someone was like, that's that's completely fake. It's this, it's that. And it was an enormous head that and he showed it from the from the neck side of it. You can see where the you could make out the the spine and different parts of the trachea and stuff. I mean, watching this video, it was all frozen and kind of froze over, but you could see it, and it looked like a huge man-like primate face. It was kind of creepy, but I'll have to bring that video up and I'll tag you in that video. I'll find it again and send it to you. Okay. It was it was a trip. And everyone, of course. Nope, that's fake. It's it can't be real, no way. People don't want to believe in this stuff.

Where Are The Bones

Mike 18:35

People those of us that want to believe in it get talked our voices, our voices aren't heard over the people that are saying it's not real, don't worry about it. It's it's fake. Just let it go. We we hear that a lot.

Rayette 18:48

I guess what gets me is like they have like all these bones and they put them together of like dinosaurs and stuff from you know, a billion years ago, and they're in these museums and stuff. Why isn't Bigfoot?

Mike 19:05

Maybe he is. I mean, I I don't know.

Jeffy McJefferson 19:08

I we we we've got just like an Area 51 thing.

Mike 19:11

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of a lot of different trains of thought. Some people believe he's an interdimensional creature of some sort. He's uh obviously a intelligent creature, whatever he is, whether he's from this planet or if he's some kind of interdimensional able to transport himself through a time warp of some sort. I don't know. I've been hearing a lot of that stuff lately. People come up with these ideas, and I'm open to it. I don't know. I don't really, I don't really take the same route, the same thought. I I don't I don't take it too seriously, but again, again, it's it's a thought in the back of my head that is this real? Is he is he interdimensional? Do what is that why we don't find them? We we don't see him hanging around.

Jeffy McJefferson 19:53

Obviously, Bigfoot's not in not, you know, big time monetary, you know, he didn't want money. He's doing the state. Because he could he could Bigfoot, one Bigfoot could be rich.

Mike 20:02

He just comes out and here I am, and he and he's talking, you know, if he talks, if he speaks, if you speak in English, and you know, here I am. I mean, I I got I'll go down the conspiracy theory side of things. I don't necessarily it's all conspiracy. It's all absolutely. I mean, it comes down to there's we started hitting on it last last time I was here, just a little bit. There's been lots of of talk about different things over the years that have been Bigfoot's found, and all of a sudden the authorities show up, take this carcass away from you, you never hear about it again. The Smithsonian shows up and says, We're gonna take that, we're gonna do our our our thing on it, and then people go to find out more about it, what happened to this, whatever you took from me. Oh, we don't have any record of that. Or what we have is is locked in the museum and the museum's getting getting redone. It's got asbestos, we can't get in there for the next 20 years. Why though?

Jeffy McJefferson 20:54

I mean my question is why? Yeah. Okay, what that happened.

Mike 20:57

What happens with more than just Bigfoot? Yeah.

Jeffy McJefferson 20:59

That's another another story. Do they gain by quote unquote eliminating not eliminating, but you know, just

Frozen Heads Hair Samples And Disbelief

Jeffy McJefferson 21:10

blowing it off. I mean, it's like, okay, dude, I mean, it's like it's nothing like Bigfoot or Big Feet, like we were talking about. I don't know how many uh the plural of it. It's not like they go out and they, you know, the hunt people. Or do they?

Mike 21:27

Well, there's there's other stories that sometimes they I know, well, there's stories of aggression. I know that much. I've I've I've read a lot about that. People about hiking come across something, you hear something, all of a sudden this boulder, you see this boulder or hear this boulder, uh, 200 pound rock, land near you. That didn't just roll down the hill. That came from somewhere, it was airborne and hit the ground. By the time they make it, there was a story I read recently. The said that was happening. They kept getting these big rocks thrown out of them as couple. They make it back to their jeep, it was parked on this trailhead somewhere. Well, now. Now they're they got this rock that's sitting in the middle of their hood, their axle somewhat bent because their their cars had sh stuff land on it before they got back to it. And then as they're getting in their car trying to figure out how to get out of there, more shit's landing around them. You know, and and and Bigfoot isn't the the Sasquatch. We'll say Sasquatch. That's a good plural word.

Jeffy McJefferson 22:20

Well, I mean, is there a difference?

Mike 22:21

No, Sasquatch is Bigfoot's the the nickname.

Jeffy McJefferson 22:24

Okay.

Mike 22:25

People call me smiley. That's my nickname. The same kind of thing. So Sasquatch is the official name. I believe it I don't don't quote me, but I think that comes something from the Native American language, I believe. There's different words. A lot of stuff gets uh sounds like it could be m murdered and mutilated away. The words get broke up and whatnot, but I think that more or less came from the Native American terminology. These things have been seen and written down and talked about and shared in stories for centuries. It's not a 1900s into 2000s thing that's been happening. The in Native Americans talked about Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whatever they called it, throughout the plains, the mountains of Tennessee, the Northwest. I mean, they they all the Indians tribes, a lot of them have stories of Bigfoot. When I was a little kid, when I growing up in Vancouver, there was Chief Leleuska, I think is what it was. You can look him up. I think his his people, his family still have a it's a they built this longhouse. Uh in the northern, the southern Washington Indians lived in in group, communal groups in these longhouses, these big wooden forts, basically. It was really cool. But they built one back in the 70s, and we used to travel up there with school every year. We'd go up there and check it out. Well, they did all the the Native American dances, and they would teach you the different Native American beliefs and this and that. But one of the dances they taught was Bigfoot. It was big that they had a full-on costume that was designed as if the uh it'd come from centuries before, but it was carrying down their stories, and they were talking about brother Bigfoot and uh nature, everything in nature has something to do with with them. That's what the Native Americans kind of uh look at nature as as their god, as their their higher power, and and Sasquatch is mentioned quite a lot.

Jeffy McJefferson 24:19

So they're the alleged the alleged story, they're intelligent creatures. Okay. Don't mean to sound flipping here. Yeah. But you think there would be a rogue type Bigfoot that said, you know what? Fuck this. I'm just gonna go ahead and go out here and take take out the hunter. No, not take out the hunter. I mean just like, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna go out here and and hear break break breaking news.

Rayette 24:50

Isn't he the one on the commercials?

Mike 24:52

Yeah, that's probably that's probably the guy on Jack Lynx. Oh, that Jack

Interdimensional Sasquatch And Coverups

Mike 24:55

Links guy. And they're they just made him look like the anti costume, but he looks pretty real.

Rayette 24:58

We all think he's he we all think he's a guy in the costume. What if it's the real one?

Jeffy McJefferson 25:03

Well, he could have probably pimped a better big jerky than Jack Links.

Mike 25:06

Why hasn't why yeah, he could have, you know, it could have been you know, old trapper.

Jeffy McJefferson 25:10

He should have been old trapper.

Rayette 25:11

I mean, you can pay me a lot of money and I'll I'll promote anything.

Jeffy McJefferson 25:15

That's what I'm saying. Where's this old where is that kind of Bigfoot at? It says, hey, yo, fuck you guys.

Mike 25:20

Where's where's the aliens? I mean, I I again I believe in that stuff too. You know, there's been proof over the years of all that stuff. Even again, Native Americans have in their cave drawings. You'll you'll have pictures of uh what looks like a UFO and people descending or ascending from the UFO, right? Where are those guys? They're intelligent creatures. Why haven't they? And if they have, why don't we know about it? Has it been hidden from us?

Jeffy McJefferson 25:44

We kind of went actually on our on that same one. On that same Bigfoot episode we were talking about. We kind of went just briefly because Rayette shut it down because she's like, I don't believe it. I'm not gonna talk about this, I don't know about it. But I mean Okay, so if there are any we'll get back to Bigfoot. Don't worry, Bigfoot. If you're listening, we'll come back to you, brother. What do their spaceships look like? Okay, are they those saucer things that we all see?

Mike 26:16

That again leads back to are they in a spaceship or are they traveling between dimensions? I mean, I I I I'm I'm not I I I've looked I'm open to the idea of Bigfoot, and then I read and watch videos and learn about what other people think and and say. I mean, there's there's a gal I I heard on the Coast to Coast on George Norrie's show a while back. Used to be Art Bell, by the way. Art Bell. Art Bell, the the famous Art Bell.

unknown 26:41

Yeah.

Mike 26:43

She she talked about visiting with a Bigfoot, a uh the chief Bigfoot, whatever. There was a group of them, and then there was one in particular that she talked about, it had a name for him even, but he gave her this crystal. And and with this crystal, she could hold it and concentrate on it, and she could talk to him. And she talked about them being interdimensional.

Jeffy McJefferson 27:02

So the Bigfoot gave her a crystal.

Mike 27:03

He gave her, it was like a communication device of some sort. She's able to communicate with this crystal even when she wasn't near him. But then she could go out in the woods and have this crystal when he would literally appear in front of her. She sounded very believable. She wasn't, didn't sound like she, you know, didn't go off the rails like we are back and forth with things. She just talked about what she's what's happened to her. You know. When I first moved back, I moved back to the valley in 98. Can you get her on here? I would love, I would love, I'll I'll look her up. I'll see if I can find her.

unknown 27:30

Yeah.

Mike 27:31

Here's my number. Call us.

unknown 27:32

Yeah.

Mike 27:33

But in nine, I moved back in 98. In 2000, I just looked it up while we were sitting here. There was a psychologist, a professional with his family up at the Oregon Caves out at a cave junction. And on one of the trails outside of the caves, he came across a Bigfoot that was. I I didn't read the whole story just now. I've read it many times over, but I don't, I think he, the Bigfoot just kind of was walking across the trail. They saw each other and kind of froze, looking at each other. I mean, he saw the Sasquatch staring at him, Sasquatch saw this man staring at him. They're both like, oh fuck. And they kind of froze up. This dude turned, took off, and and then, you know, but he's this man's a psychologist, a renowned person. His name was in the newspaper. I couldn't tell you what his name was or if he's still in the valley now. But he had his fan with him. And this guy, I mean, he has he's one that I would believe him. He he'd necessarily say he was a Bigfoot believer before he came across Bigfoot, just in this national park area, you know.

Jeffy McJefferson 28:34

Then he came across him.

Mike 28:35

Then he came across him. He just dug goofing around with his kids and wife, and then he's immediately frozen in in fear of this gigantic gorilla-looking thing in front of him, standing on two feet. That scared the crap out of me. And I'm I'm I've been out in the woods looking for And you're a big dude, man. I'm a big guy, and I'm usually armed and I'm ready for this stuff. I'm sure it would scare the snot out of me, too. You know, this guy's scared the fucking shit out of me, that's for fucking sure. This this guy, he, from what he's from what the story I've read, he he froze up and then immediately you know spun and got out of there with his kids and never saw it again. But there's been other reports like that all around this area, all around everywhere. I mean, back in oh gosh, where the Himalayas are at. I came over the country all of a sudden. Oh there's a monastery. Several, I know, I think Josh Gates, his his TV show, they went back there and looked, and this monastery has it's an old mummified hand, basically, but it's enormous. It's a bigfoot, it's a yeti hand. They call them yeti back there. They're snow creature. They literally have a hat that a couple hundred years ago, someone found a dead Bigfoot, killed a Bigfoot, however, however, killed this Yeti. They made a hat, literally made this hat, and and it's in this monastery. These monks have it hidden away. And they pulled it out and they'll show the guys that are interviewing them. And it's been, they they've from what I remember, they've they've taken little chunks of it here and there and sent it to laboratories and whatnot. It's been lost. It's been they've they they've proven, okay, yeah, we don't know what it is. And there's been different stories. It depends on who you read. Again, it the internet's so convoluted with things, and a person can make up their own story. Especially nowadays with AI. It's horrible. You never know what to believe. You know, I believe, but then again, I I want to believe, but every story you read the same, a story about the same thing. This this this Bigfoot, it's basically from his like above his eyebrows up, and it's like this conical-shaped head. Like, like, like think of big Harry Harry Henderson's. He's got this big head with this really tall forehead that kind of comes up to a to a slope and maybe a spot on the top of his head where it's really tall. That's what this hat that they've got. They literally it looks like a little cap. That's what it looks like. It's all can it's all dried out, and it's just skin, but it's in along with this enormous, enormous skeletal hand with some skin on it still. I mean, it's they've got proof there. Proof is there. It's around.

Jeffy McJefferson 31:01

Kind of weird, man, because I mean, like on something like that, I mean, you would, you know, you think that there has to be some curiosity and to do scientific experiments on quote unquote dead Bigfoot.

Mike 31:16

Yeah. Or or what they what they have found is hair, lots of hair. And from what I've read about many different colors.

Jeffy McJefferson 31:23

Well, Red Red has plenty of that in the fucking sink in the in the sink, but the shower. Yeah. If Bigfoot exists, it's gonna be in our fucking shower because I mean she always has to do a do a drain clean.

Mike 31:37

The little little snake down in there. But the these have been this stuff has been researched and analyzed, and they've come back saying that it doesn't, it doesn't match anything known to science. And then it's gonna drop from there. There's there's various museums and stuff with all these different things. There's there's a guy in in in Washington that's got a a museum. I've been past that. I've been I think I've probably been to it when I was a kid, but he's a he's a Bigfoot researcher. I don't know if he's still alive, but the museum's still open. I can't remember.

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Rayette 32:05

Isn't there one in like Boring, Oregon?

Mike 32:07

Could be, could be. It could be the one I'm thinking of. Could be the same one I'm thinking of. But And where's that? It's up outside of Portland. South kind of southeast of Portland. Not too far from Portland. But if you go down to the Redwoods, go down to the Oh boy. Uh it's it's it's the big I cannot remember what it's called. But in the Redwoods, there's a park, basically, that they've got the big tall statue of Paul Bunyan and Babe next to it. Have you guys seen that? You know what I'm talking about? I haven't seen it. I can't remember what the heck it's called. But it's it's a it's a it's a touristy thing, tourist trap, and you just walk, you pay them $10, $15 a person, you walk through their forest, and there's there's redwoods, these enormous 5,000-year-old trees. It's really great. Inside their gift shop is a museum that you can walk through. And it's got a lot of Native American stuff, and it's got some mannequins dressed up in in clothing that was belonging to Native Americans at the turn of the century, different, different things, lots of stuff, and lots of local basketry and stuff. In there, they've got a bunch of castings local that were taken locally. They're castings of Bigfoot. Bigfoot's feet, his footprint. They've got a bunch of them that you can sit right there and look at. They're behind glass, you can't feel them or touch them, but they're there. They've got them. And and again, you see videos of or you hear stories of guys saying, Yeah, my grandpa said that he used to do this. He'd put these on his on his on his boots. He was a logger and he'd put these these feet things on there, and he'd walk around in the woods just to mess with his friends. What's the purpose of that? Why would he do that? I mean, yeah, maybe, but then again, if you look into this stuff, they've taken some of these castings and and in the look of things, and they're able to point out this one has a had had a broken toe at some point. This one's got a scar across part part of his foot. I mean, there's scientists have looked at these things, or people that are open-minded to these things, have looked at them and said, hey, this matches this, this, and this. They can point things out. They can tell the size of the critter roughly by the size of this footprint, you know, and how in in-depth and how deep it was. I I've come across some stuff that I couldn't say it was a big footprint, but I've come across some prints that were messy. They weren't clear defined big footprint, okay. Foot big footprint, but it was kind of a messy look. I've come across that a couple times, especially near water.

Jeffy McJefferson 34:24

Like what size? Oh. I mean, just out of curiosity. Let's let's 15, 16, 20 feet.

Mike 34:30

20 inches, excuse me, inches, not feet. I was like, that's a big 14 to 20-some inches, probably. Oh, from from heel to toe. That's big, big. And then you figure the size of that I don't think Phil Knight could design a shoe for that guy, Phil Nike. Well, the the and one I just came across recently.